Jojon menulis:
Yah dia mana mau ngasih tau kalo dia dibantu sama alien
Lagian pendapat satu orang yg ngeklaim bisa buat piramid apa bedanya dengan klaim ribuan orang yg mengaku diabduct sama UFO ?

Lagian kalo ada alien mau bertamu baik2 , baca tulisan gue diatas, apa ngga ada cultural shock tuh di bumi ?
Bayangkan apa pendapat negara2 adidaya yg udah merasa super ternyata ada superior being yg lebih advanced technologynya ? Pasti mereka berusaha untuk mendapatkannya. Malah mungkin negara2 maju seperti US bisa aja udah berkomunikasi dengan alien, cuman mereka ngga mo publish soalnya mereka mau keep techologynya untuk mereka sendiri. Bisa liat di technology pembuatan pesawatnya yg makin lama makin mengarah ke UFO.

Soal culture shock, gw gak yakin kita (manusia) bakal culture shock. lha NASA aja ngirim Voyager ke luar angkasa yang salah satu misinya adalah untuk nyari kehidupan di luar.
Lha kalo ketemu kehidupan yg lebih advanced, ya tentu NASA udah siap.
Oh ya, gue bingung kenapa semua misteri dalam dunia seperti atlantis, piramid, masuk dalam spekulasi bahwa buatan/bantuan alien. Gue pikir kita terlalu meremehkan manusia jaman dulu. Mungkin dibanding sekarang mereka tertinggal, tapi bukan berarti mereka itu bodoh. mereka pasti mampu membuat bangunan spektakuler.

OK sekarang gue kasih bukti bahwa alien itu tidak membuat/membantu dalam piramid.
Seumpama benar bahwa piramid dibuat/dibantu oleh alien, pada zaman itu bangsa Israel adalah budak dari bangsa Mesir. Toh mereka (bangsa Israel) tidak mencatat/menulis dalam catatan sejarah mereka bahwa mereka melihat ada makhluk asing alias alien yang datang membawa "penggorengan terbang". Lihat saja di kitab perjanjian lama, gak bakal ada di dalam isinya.

Spekulasi bahwa alien terlibat dalam berbagai misteri di bumi bagi gue terlalu berlebihan. Pasti nanti ada spekulasi alien di segitiga bermuda, spekulasi yeti dan bigfoot adalah alien, spekulasi ratu kidul adalah alien, bahkan mungkin spekulasi Mbah Maridjan, sang kuncen Gunung Merapi, yang mendaki gunung merapi ketika meletus adalah juga alien.

Oh ya, ada pernah dengar/baca/nonton area 51? Yang doyan nonton X-Files pasti tahu, ato kita pasti minimal telah lihat di film Independence Day dimana sang presiden bersembunyi di suatu tempat yang memiliki "penggorengan terbang". Area ini adalah benar nyata tempat fasilitas militer AU AS. Orang-orang berspekulasi ada "penggorengan terbang" di dalamnya untuk menyelidiki tehnologinya. Tapi buktinya sampe sekarang, AU AS hanya mengeluarkan pesawat yang hanya meniru burung belum ada yg mirip "penggorengan terbang".

Oh iya Jon....nanti kalo kita bisa ketemu alien yang bawa "penggorengan terbang", kita pasti photo bareng-bareng yah terus kita upload ke indozone biar yg lain pada iri. gue harap alien itu bisa se-sexy Paris Hilton. Karena kayaknya dulunya Paris Hilton itu gendut dan jelek, sekarang dia bisa langsing dan sexy. Hmmmmm....mungkin Paris Hilton dulu itu diculik, terus dioperasi plastik sama alien ato mungkin juga Paris Hilton itu adalah alien. Hiiiii.....Syeremmm!!!!

masalah piramid ada lagi teori menarik. konon piramid pertama (yang gede2) bukan dibuat oleh mesir. bangsa mesir cuma nemuin dari niru bikin. makanya piramid baru lebih kecil. (ga tau bener karena niru ato karena menurunnya kekuatan pharaoh jaman akhir mesir.)

konon piramid dan sphynx (patung singa kepala manusia) berhubungan dengan bangunan kuno lain di seluruh bumi. termasuk candi2. kalo ga salah ada disebut yang di thailand ato kamboja ga inget gua.

menurut teori ini piramid sebenernya bukan makan pharaoh tapi berhubungan dengan perbintangan. tepatnya posisi perbintangan sekitar 10 ribu taon lalu. kalo ditarik garis 90 derajat tegak lurus, sphynx emang aligned (segaris) ama perbintangan singa.

mesti diselidiki apakah perbintangan leo yang kita ketahui jaman ini sama ama 10 ribu taon lalu. setau gua sistem konstelasi (barat) yang dipake jaman ini berdasarkan Claudius Ptolemy yang emang pernah tinggal di Alexandria (mesir).

dari penyelidikan fisik sphynx ditemukan "bukti" bahwa arah erosi vertikal bukan horisontal. kalo erosi dari angin, ato pasir yang dibawa angin, mestinya horisontal. vertikal hanya bisa dari hujan. seperti kita ketahui jarang ada hujan di mesir. mungkin 10 ribu taon lalu banyak hujan? ato bahkan mesir adalah hutan tropis?

menurut teori ini, 10 ribu taon lalu ada peradaban tingkat tinggi yang menyelimuti seluruh bumi. sampe bisa bikin monumen di seluruh bumi. orang mesir nemuin salah satunya yaitu piramid dan karena bentuknya moi dicoba bikin makam.

nahhh lohhh makin puyeng lagi.

UFO DARI ZAMAN BAHEULA SAMPAI SEKARANG

Ancient accounts

1. During the reign of the Pharaoh Thutmose III around 1450 BC, there is a description of multiple "circles of fire" brighter than the sun and about 5 meters in size that appeared over multiple days. They finally disappeared after ascending higher in the sky.
2. The army of Alexander the Great in 329 BC, as they were crossing a river into India, saw "two silver shields" in the sky that dove repeatedly on their military columns causing panic. In 322 BC when Alexander was besieging Tyre in Phoenicia, another "flying shield" moving in triangular formation with smaller "shields" approached. Supposedly the larger object shot beams of light at the city shattering its walls and other defenses. Alexander's army quickly took advantage of the situation and seized the city. The objects then departed.
3. The Roman author Julius Obsequens writes that in 99 BC, "in Tarquinia towards sunset, a round object, like a globe, a round or circular shield, took its path in the sky from west to east."
4. In 1235 the army of Oritsume in Japan saw mysterious lights in the sky.
5. Circa 1491-1492, famous explorer Christopher Columbus had an account, in his journal, of lights that had seemed to come out of the sea, and vanished into the air.
6. On April 14, 1561 the skies over Nuremberg, Germany were reportedly filled with a multitude of objects seemingly engaged in an aerial battle. Small spheres and discs were said to emerge from large cylinders. (image below)

First modern reports

Before the terms "flying saucers" and "UFO"s were coined, there were a number of reports of strange, unidentified aerial phenomena. These reports date from the mid-nineteenth to early twentieth century. They include:

1. On January 25, 1878, The Denison Daily News wrote that local farmer John Martin had reported seeing a large, dark, circular flying object resembling a balloon flying "at wonderful speed.
2. On November 17, 1882, astronomer E. W. Maunder of the Greenwich Royal Observatory described in the Observatory Reports "a strange celestial visitor" that was "disc-shaped," "torpedo-shaped," or "spindle-shaped." It was said to be very different in characteristics from a meteor fireball. Years later, Maunder wrote it looked exactly like the new Zeppelin dirigibles. The strange object was also seen by several other European astronomers.
3. In the late nineteenth century, sightings of large airships, often using searchlights, were sometimes conflated with extraterrestrial visitors. One of the most famous early reports was an 1897 crash of an airship of unknown origin in Aurora, Texas. Local news reported the recovery of the body of a "Martian pilot" in the crash.
4. On February 28, 1904, there was a sighting by three crew members on the U.S.S. Supply 300 miles west of San Francisco, reported by Lt. Frank Schofield, later to become Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet. Schofield wrote of three bright red egg-shaped and circular objects flying in echelon formation that approached beneath the cloud layer, then changed course and "soared" above the clouds, departing directly away from the earth after 2 to 3 minutes. The largest had an apparent size of about six suns.
5. The so-called Fátima incident or "The Miracle of the Sun," witnessed by tens of thousands in Fátima, Portugal on October 13, 1917, is believed by some researchers to actually be a UFO event.
6. In both the European and Japanese aerial theatres during World War II, "Foo-fighters" (balls of light and other shapes that followed aircraft) were reported by both Allied and Axis pilots.
7. On February 25, 1942, an unidentified craft was detected over the California region. The craft stayed aloft despite taking at least 20 minutes worth of flak from ground batteries. The incident later became known as the Battle of Los Angeles, or the West coast air raid.
8. In 1946, there were over 2000 reports of unidentified aircraft in the Scandinavian nations, along with isolated reports from France, Portugal, Italy and Greece, then referred to as "Russian hail," and later as "ghost rockets," because it was thought that these mysterious objects were Russian tests of captured German V1 or V2 rockets. This was subsequently shown not to be the case, and the phenomenon remains unexplained. Over 200 were tracked on radar and deemed to be "real physical objects" by the Swedish military. A significant fraction of the remainder were thought to be misperceptions of natural phenomena, such as meteors.

btw soal UFO konspirasi teori

There have also been some notable persons to have publicly stated that UFO evidence is being suppressed. These have included Senator Barry Goldwater, Admiral Lord Hill-Norton (former NATO head and chief of the British Defence Staff), Brigadier-General Arthur Exon (former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB), Vice-Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter (first CIA director; see quote below), astronauts Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer, and the 1999 French COMETA Report by various French generals and aerospace experts.

Barry Goldwater (was an American politician credited as the leader who sparked the resurgence of the American conservative movement with his 1964 campaign for President.)

In a 1988 interview on Larry King's radio show, Goldwater was asked if he thought the U.S. Government was withholding UFO evidence; he replied "Yes I do." He added:

I certainly believe in aliens in space. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities....I think some highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know about-and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."

Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter (was the third director of the post-WWII U.S. Central Intelligence Group (CIG), and the first director of the Central Intelligence Agency, created by the National Security Act of 1947. He served as director of the CIG and the CIA from May 1, 1947 to October 7, 1950.

He was also allegedly a member of a super-secret group called Majestic-12, supposedly created by Executive Order on September 24, 1947, by President Harry Truman. This group was supposed to be the main "umbrella group" overseeing UFO research in the aftermath of the Roswell UFO incident, the alleged recovery of a crashed flying saucer and alien bodies in July 1947.

Gordon Cooper (was an American astronaut. He was one of the original astronauts in Project Mercury, the first manned-space effort by the United States.)

Cooper claimed to have seen his first UFO while in West Germany in 1951 and wrote in his memoirs that he had seen other unexplained aircraft several times during his career. Cooper also stated that there were hundreds of reports made by other pilots, many coming from military jet pilots sent to respond to radar or visual sightings from the ground. He was quite convinced until the day he died that he had seen UFOs.

source: wikipedia

ToOn99 menulis:
Pram, I didn't approve ur view that UFO does not exist.

If I am not mistaken, expedition to somewhere beyond the moon has been done, but it was unhuman vessel. The one that was planned by Bush is the vessel with human in it. ( there's a chance that people in it won't come back alive).

Hattrick menulis:
iya... g denger2 gambar soal manusia pernah mendarat di bulan itu bohong ... Alesannya pada gambarnya :
1. Bayangannya ada 4 ... padahal harusnya cuman 1 ..
2. Benderanya terlihat berkibar padahal khan di bulan nga ada udara...
3. Jejak kakinya terlalu dalam.. padahal harusnya dengan gravitasi yang kecil di bulan ... jejak kaki nga mungkin terlalu dalam...

G cuman denger penjelasan dari temen gua yang nonton dari discovery channel.... *Sorry OOT dikit *

ini cuma tebakan gua aja...

Hattrick menulis:
iya... g denger2 gambar soal manusia pernah mendarat di bulan itu bohong ... Alesannya pada gambarnya :
1. Bayangannya ada 4 ... padahal harusnya cuman 1 ..
2. Benderanya terlihat berkibar padahal khan di bulan nga ada udara...
3. Jejak kakinya terlalu dalam.. padahal harusnya dengan gravitasi yang kecil di bulan ... jejak kaki nga mungkin terlalu dalam...

2. mungkin bukan berkibar tapi karena digoyangin waktu nancepin di bumi. kan ga ada gravitasi jadi momentum hampir selamanya. karena ga ada gaya tarik ke bawah, gerakan ke manapun akan terus berlanjut.

3. mungkin karena pasir di bulan ga serekat tanah di bumi. yang pasti sih sangat loose kan ga ada air untuk perekat. apalagi ga ada gravitasi untuk menekan ke bawah biar lebih lengket. misal tanah di bumi kaya kayu, pasir di bulan kaya nginjak matras.

gua lebih percaya amrik emang boong berdasarkan history mereka bahkan dlm perang irak pun, amrik boong juga.

imanto menulis:
gua lebih percaya amrik emang boong berdasarkan history mereka bahkan dlm perang irak pun, amrik boong juga.

nenek moyang iraq dulu menjajah dan memperbudak israel. masa itu dipake buat kasih ijin israel menduduki iraq jaman ini.

mgkn mskdnya Amrik tukang tipu? alasan dia perang sama irak jg tipu2 gitu?

Azalae menulis:
1. mungkin sumber cahaya lebih dari satu. bintang2 lain. karena ga ada atmosphere kaya di bumi, efek sinar jauh lebih kuat. alias sinar dari bintang lebih terang.

salah pram, cahaya yg lebih besar dari matahari banyak sekali cuma letaknya saja yg cukup jauh shg keliatan seolah-olah cahaya mth lebih kuat

yah betul...tapi 'kan untuk kasus bulan ini pasti matahari lebih kuat seperti siang hari di bumi yang mampu menutupi sinar bintang/planet sekitarnya.

prameswara menulis:

Azalae menulis:
1. mungkin sumber cahaya lebih dari satu. bintang2 lain. karena ga ada atmosphere kaya di bumi, efek sinar jauh lebih kuat. alias sinar dari bintang lebih terang.

gak mungkin jo....
sumber cahaya matahari, pasti lebih kuat dari bintang yang lain bahkan bisa menutupi cahaya bintang lain.
mungkin yang lebih logis adalah jika sumber sinar itu adalah pantulan sinar bumi.
atau penjelasan lain adalah amerika mendarat pada sisi/bagian yang gelap dari bulan, sehingga sumber cahaya benar-benar dari bintang/planet sekitarnya.

btw emang semua pendaratan apollo (ada lebih dari satu tapi cuma satu yang pake orang) di sisi gelap bulan.

1. Bayangannya ada 4 ... padahal harusnya cuman 1 ..
2. Benderanya terlihat berkibar padahal khan di bulan nga ada udara...
3. Jejak kakinya terlalu dalam.. padahal harusnya dengan gravitasi yang kecil di bulan ... jejak kaki nga mungkin terlalu dalam...

1. we know that human landing at the dark side of the moon, so there must be so dark. Jadi satu2nya sumber cahaya yah dari lampu yg tersedia di vehichle yang mereka bawa buat explore the moon. Ndak begitu ingat, Pembukaan piala dunia ato eropa, karena pembukaan dilakukan malam hari, lampu sorot dari stadion creates the same effect as u mentioned above, it made 4 shadows.

2. Meskipun bulan ndak ada udara tidak berarti astronotnya ndak bisa bikin effect buat benderanya berkibar. suppose elu mo foto2 dengan bendera, pasti lebih keren kan kalo benderanya keliatan berkibar psychology wise. Again, mereka pasti bawa mesin2 berat buat explore the moon, which can easy blowing something away from its exhoust pipe or something.

3. As we know, the moon surface is not as smooth as the earth's. There're a lot of active vulcano. Tiap kali meletus, fly ash bakal numpuk dimana2. Lapisan debu ini very soft. We also know that the gravitation in the moon < in the earth. Jadi orang2 akan semi floating, susah untuk mobile. Cara paling gampang buat mobile to one direction, put a lot pressure on your feet and jump toward the direction u wish to go. Jadi more pressure + soft ash layer = more significant trace mark.

Done. I spent whole day to think about this, so u better convinced. j/k. No way I am gonna do that.

Alien sightings.. these guys definitely ain't Paris Hilton :

sekali lagi kita mengandalkan si raja waktu untuk membuktikannya. tidak pernah meleset dan akan menutup mulut yg kalah.