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#21
Floo.. 11 Agustus 2004 jam 5:11pm  

Hehehe... Nenek, yeah... nothing beats Nicolas for 'fun' wine!!!!!

BTW, I did saw a Nicolas in Chicago, but the price is CRAZY while the quality is BAD!!!!!! No 'fun' wine in US, eh?

Soal champagne, bilang mau minum mousseaux kan juga keren, toh? Org pasti ga tau itu minuman apaan :D

#22
Temujin 12 Agustus 2004 jam 7:55am  

yinyeksin menulis:
Gara-gara nonton Amor de Tarapaca nih jadinya kepikiran pengen buka thread ini. Hitung-hitung bisa menambah pengetahuan juga.

The question is selain dilihat dari tahun pembuatannya bagaimana kita bisa menilai kualitas suatu wine??? Hayo, temu...pasti bisa jawab deh :p

Selain itu apakah makanan yang disajikan juga menentukan jenis wine yang cocok untuk makanan tersebut atau kita pesan wine jenis A misalnya trus makannya steak gitu? atau musti combine biar bisa menimbulkan cita rasa yang enak? kalo di lihat kan wine itu banyak...selain itu mana yang lebih baik anggur merah ato anggur putih? Apa negara asal wine juga membedakan cita rasa wine yang satu dengan yang lain? Kalo gitu negara mana yang lebih baik ato lebih enak wine-nya?

The year DOES NOT guarantee the quality of the wine. In order to know the quality of the wine. You have to know where (what location/region) and what vineyard the wine was from, and (VERY IMPORTANT) to know whether THAT YEAR was a GOOD year. Sometimes the wine can be 10 year old, but if that year was bad year for that particular vineyard (or location/region) due to weather/climate problem, soil problem, than it automatically make the wine's value drops.

In addition, wine have to be stored at certain temperature and humidity. Failure to do so, you can spoil the wine's acidity and spoil it right the way. When the wine is over 6 years old, it's a BIG GAMBLE to drink it, because if it's NOT STORED properly, then it's no longer drinkable.

Vintage wines are VERY EXPENSIVE, especially bought from Professional (Collector's) stores, because they have to store the wine using the right procedure and method.

About WINE - PAIRING. The basic rule is simple.... For Seafood/White Meat, pair it with White Wine. For Red meat, pair it with Red Wine. The bottom line is light food should be paired with light-body wine and heavy food should be paired with full-body (complexity) wine. However, the complexity are varied across the different cuisines throughout the world. Some food (dishes) are just perfect when paired with certain type of wine (grape type), from a certain region.

The difference between RED and White wine, has to do with how it was produced. The white wine takes shorter time to produce since the process is less complex than red wine.

There are so many (hundreds) of varieties of wine, and they even mix different wines together to procude hybrid wines these days. Some of the most well known types of wine are :

BARBERA (Italian) best known Italian wine; CABERNET SAUVIGNON (Red) the undisputed king of red wines; CHARDONNAY (White) Chardonnay is the king of white wines; CHENIN BLANC (White) From the Loire Valley of France; GEWÜRZTRAMINER (White) At its best, it produces a floral and refreshing wine with crisp acidity that pairs well with spicy dishes; MERLOT (Red) Another popular red wine,perhaps second to Cabernet Sauvignon. It dominates Bordeaux, except for the Médoc and Graves; MUSCAT (White) Marked by strong spice and floral notes; PINOT BLANC (White) Often referred to as a poor man's Chardonnay because of its similar flavor and texture profile, Pinot Blanc is used in Champagne, Burgundy, Alsace, Germany, Italy and California and can make a terrific wine. When well made, it is intense, concentrated and complex, with ripe pear, spice, citrus and honey notes. Can age, but is best early on while its fruit shines through; PINOT GRIS or PINOT GRIGIO (White) Known as Pinot Grigio in Italy, where it is mainly found in the northeast, producing quite a lot of undistinguished dry white wine and Collio's excellent whites. As Pinot Gris, it used to be grown in Burgundy and the Loire, though it has been supplanted, but it comes into its own in Alsace

PINOT NOIR (Red) Pinot Noir, the great grape of Burgundy, is a touchy variety. Pinot Noir is the classic grape of Burgundy and also of Champagne, where it is pressed immediately after picking in order to yield white juice; RIESLING (White) One of the world's greatest white wine grapes. Riesling is best known for producing the wines of Germany's Mosel-Saar-Ruwer, Pfalz, Rheinhessen and Rheingau wines, but it also achieves brilliance in Alsace and Austria. More commonly, Riesling produces dry or just off-dry versions. Its high acidity and distinctive floral, citrus, peach and mineral accents have won dry Riesling many fans. SAUVIGNON BLANC (White) Another white with a notable aroma, this one "grassy" or "musky." The pure varietal is found mainly in the Loire, at Sancerre and Pouilly-Fumé, As a late-harvest wine, it's often fantastic, capable of yielding amazingly complex and richly flavored wines

SÉMILLON (White) These are rich, honeyed wines,. Sémillon is one of the grapes susceptible to Botrytis cinerea; SYRAH or SHIRAZ (Red) Hermitage and Côte-Rôtie in France, Penfolds Grange in Australia--the epitome of Syrah is a majestic red that can age for half a century. The grape seems to grow well in a number of areas and is capable of rendering rich, complex and distinctive wines, with pronounced pepper, spice, black cherry, tar, leather and roasted nut flavors, a smooth, supple texture and smooth tannins. In southern France it finds its way into various blends; ZINFANDEL (Red) It is the most widely planted red grape in California (though Australia has also played around with the grape). Much of it is vinified into white Zinfandel, a blush-colored, slightly sweet wine. Real Zinfandel, the red wine, is the quintessential California wine.

But the most famous, world-known wine is from France. The Bordeaux geographic region is world-famous for producing some of the best wine in the world, due to it's location, weather, temperature, proximity to the ocean (water) etc.

The four major region of Bordeux are: Pomerol, Graves and Pessac-Leognan, St.-Emilion, and Medoc. The Medoc region is also broken down into four important inner appellations: St.-Estephe, Paulliac, St.-Julien and Margaux. The red wine of Bordeaux rely primarily on three different grapes : Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot. Basically you cannot go wrong if you choose wine from these region.

The region of Burgundy in France is perhaps known for its exclusivity. Although Bordeaux region is famous for having the most consistent great wine, Burgundy is about fine, exclusive wine. The region produces two of the most popular wines in France: Beaujolais and Chablis.

Bottom line is the Best wine is French wine. It's an instant classic.

The second best wine producer is perhaps Italy and USA. For USA, California is the best, and upstate New York follows second. Spain is coming along, and perhaps rank #3. Germany is particularly famous for Reisling and Gewürztraminer. Other regions like Australia, South Africa, Chili, Portugal follows.

#23
yinyeksin 12 Agustus 2004 jam 12:04pm  

waaa...temu, thank youuuuu...:p

#24
Floo.. 12 Agustus 2004 jam 12:30pm  

wah, jd penjelasan gue yg tadi ga berkenan di hati si yin... :(

*menangis dan berlalu*

#25 avatar
andrea7974 12 Agustus 2004 jam 1:43pm  

Floo.. menulis:
wah, jd penjelasan gue yg tadi ga berkenan di hati si yin... :(

*menangis dan berlalu*

hmmm..gimana yah Floo..tp kayaknya mungkin salah kita jg sih ikutan posting. dr awal si Yin sdh mentioned: "mungkin Temu bisa bantu"
kita aja neh yg kepo sok ngebantuin :D :D

#26
Floo.. 14 Agustus 2004 jam 1:01am  

the kepo Floo :D :D

#27
Temujin 14 Agustus 2004 jam 1:24am  

Floo.. menulis:
the kepo Floo :D :D
Elo bukannya tau tau juga soal wine ? Gimana sih dulu kan jadi orang French, masa nggak tau soal wine ?

#28
Floo.. 14 Agustus 2004 jam 8:54am  

wah, menghina nih Temu..... dikit2 sih gue tahu lah wine :(

Cuma gue kan ga ditanya, jd kl gue jwb ntar kt Andy gue kepo :rolf:

(bcandaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....)

#29
yinyeksin 16 Agustus 2004 jam 5:04pm  

wahhhhh...soriiiiii...bukannya gak berkenan..anyway semua yang bantuin diucapin thank you kok. mungkin thank you-nya lebih ditujukan ke temu karena kan diawalnya ada sebut temu dan temu mo menjawab tapi semuanya dapat kok :D:D:D

#30
Floo.. 17 Agustus 2004 jam 1:13am  

some info:

Our first wine tip of the week is an opportunity to acquire some great wines, at near wholesale prices (up to 25% off) including:

Chateau Lafite-Rothschild

Acacia Vineyard in the Los Carneros District of Napa County

Chalone Vineyard in Monterey County

Dynamite Vineyards in the North Coast

Echelon Vineyards in Central Coast

Edna Valley Vineyard in San Luis Obispo County

Hewitt Vineyard in Rutherford District of Napa County

Jade Mountain in Napa County

Moon Mountain Vineyard in Sonoma County

Orogeny Vineyards in the Russian River Valley of Sonoma County

Provenance Vineyards in Napa County

Canoe Ridge Vineyard in Walla Walla, WA

Sagelands Vineyard in Yakima, WA

Château Duhart-Milon a fourth-growth estate in the Bordeaux region of France

To gain access to these wines, you need to become a shareholder of Chalone Wine Group (www.chalonewinegroup.com) by buying 100 shares of the company’s NASDAQ traded stock (currently around $9.00 a share). Through the shareholder’s benefits program you can purchase wine futures on Lafite-Rothschild and will have access to new releases, limited bottlings, and special group selections. Current members have reported significant discounts on Lafite wines, which paid for the cost of the 100 shares the first time they purchased wine through the shareholder’s benefits program.

The shareholder’s website is located at http://www.chalonewinegroup.com/share...olders.htm and explains the program in further detail.

#31
Nenek 19 Agustus 2004 jam 12:00am  

Floo.. menulis:
Hehehe... Nenek, yeah... nothing beats Nicolas for 'fun' wine!!!!!

BTW, I did saw a Nicolas in Chicago, but the price is CRAZY while the quality is BAD!!!!!! No 'fun' wine in US, eh?

Soal champagne, bilang mau minum mousseaux kan juga keren, toh? Org pasti ga tau itu minuman apaan :D

Yes indeed! I think when I was in Paris, I at least spent 1 or 2 hours just looking at the wines... :angel: Was there Nicolas in Chicago? WHOA! Didn't know that. US is one of those.. hm..ridiculously expensive when it comes to wine.. probably they try to promote their own wine, so put higher tax on foreign wines i guess. :(

Columbia Valley actually make far better wine than upstate NY.. maybe Mr. Temu hasn't had a chance to try any of those. *shrug*

#32
Floo.. 19 Agustus 2004 jam 5:27pm  

errrrrrrrrrrrr.... sorry for misinformed you...

I saw Nicolas wine in Chi, but not the shop. It was there on the imported wine rack, with the bottle that looks so cheap and price tag that looks so 'abnormal' :D