Suppose your love one is very sick. His/her illness is already terminal and he/she is deemed to be hopeless.
Would you help him/her to end his/her misery without even asked by him/her personally ?
Of course, this would make you a killer literally, but I believe "some people" can understand what you've done.
Personally, the more I love the person, the more possible I'll do it for him/her. My reasons ? simply I don't want to see him/her living miserably any longer.

wah ga tau yah. kayanya gua sih ga mampu. emang kepingin ga menderita lagi tapi kalu harus bunuh ga yakin bisa.

makanya untuk menghindari keadaan ini, jgn lupa sign DNR (Do Not resuscitate) form, jadi ga ada dilema nantinya.

tapi yah, ga bisa dijawab skrg sih apa kalo saya pribadi bisa ato nggak mutusin untuk mengakhiri kehidupan org yg saya sayang dng cara diatas. musti liat situasi mungkin.

wek sama aja dong. kayanya ga mampu juga sign form itu. emang ada yah? wah gawat harus baca form rumah sakit ati2 neh.

eeyore menulis:
makanya untuk menghindari keadaan ini, jgn lupa sign DNR (Do Not resuscitate) form, jadi ga ada dilema nantinya.

tapi yah, ga bisa dijawab skrg sih apa kalo saya pribadi bisa ato nggak mutusin untuk mengakhiri kehidupan org yg saya sayang dng cara diatas. musti liat situasi mungkin.

tp,...setiap tempat kan aturannya beda.....jd tergantung lokasinya deh

maksud aku sebetulnya tiap pribadi sign sendiri klu bisa DNR itu. tp emg sih ga selalu bisa.

Advance directive emg bener tuh. di NSW, Australia ada arrangement buat guardian act yg kita tunjuk kalau kita tidak sadar kan diri. Guardian act itu jg ga semua2 nya, tergantung apa yg kita mao mereka urus. Misalnya soal kita nanti masuk rehab ato nggak seandainya kita ga bisa putusin, ato treatment apa yg mao kita dapat seandainya kita ga bisa mutusin.

sorry kok jadi ngomongin medical legal side

eniwai, Euthanasia sih sounds terrible, kalau bisa di atasin dari awal dengan dokumen2 legal mustinya lebih baik. Tp masing2 orang mutusin masing2 deh.

Fatbrain menulis:
Actually,....kalo kita sign ato agree ama "DNR"...itu artinya orang/patient yg di DNR gak mau di-resuscitate....the level of resuscitatation nya juga bisa di customize munurut yg kita/family mau.
Yg perlu punya/sign adalah......power of attorney of health care ato advance directive.
Advance directives are documents signed by a competent person giving direction to health care providers about treatment choices in certain circumstances. There are two types of advance directives. A durable power of attorney for health care "durable power" allows you to name a "patient advocate" to act for you and carry out your wishes. A living will allows you to state your wishes in writing, but does not name a patient advocate.

tp,...setiap tempat kan aturannya beda.....jd tergantung lokasinya deh

For me in this case, my believe is against the teaching of my religion. (Do I go to hell?)

This remind me of the latest episode of ER when a certain individual must decide the fate of .....
Never mind. I don't want to die a painful death in the hand of a certain somebody ....

pepe haliwell menulis:

Fatbrain menulis:
Actually,....kalo kita sign ato agree ama "DNR"...itu artinya orang/patient yg di DNR gak mau di-resuscitate....the level of resuscitatation nya juga bisa di customize munurut yg kita/family mau.
Yg perlu punya/sign adalah......power of attorney of health care ato advance directive.
Advance directives are documents signed by a competent person giving direction to health care providers about treatment choices in certain circumstances. There are two types of advance directives. A durable power of attorney for health care "durable power" allows you to name a "patient advocate" to act for you and carry out your wishes. A living will allows you to state your wishes in writing, but does not name a patient advocate.

tp,...setiap tempat kan aturannya beda.....jd tergantung lokasinya deh

Ed, you are talking about letting one's death to occur naturally by stopping treatment in your context here right? Not actively causing death. Even if one has the advance directive, nobody can "legally" euthanize him or her in the US. Maybe one can go to the Netherland to have oneself put to sleep, but definitely not in the US. That's what land Dr. Kervokian in jail.

For me in this case, my believe is against the teaching of my religion. (Do I go to hell?)

This remind me of the latest episode of ER when a certain individual must decide the fate of .....
Never mind. I don't want to die a painful death in the hand of a certain somebody ....

Of course,....euthanasia is a no-no here!

Fatbrain menulis:
Pepe,....what I mean was to clarify the meaning of the "DNR". I added the "advance directive" here to show the difference of the two words.
I actually didn't mention anything about the euthanasia.

HEY! WHO got the big idea of bringing DNR here ....... You Donkey! C'mere

pepe haliwell menulis:

Fatbrain menulis:
Pepe,....what I mean was to clarify the meaning of the "DNR". I added the "advance directive" here to show the difference of the two words.
I actually didn't mention anything about the euthanasia.

Ooo... OK.... .... but the topic was euthanasia...

HEY! WHO got the big idea of bringing DNR here ....... You Donkey! C'mere

... opps...

Kalo orgnya minta sendiri (ato pernah bilang sebelom sakit) kalo mereka minta 'disuntik mati', skrg sih gue RASA gue bakal turutin permintaan mereka (tp gue belom pernah ngadepin langsung sih...jadi belom tau beneran tega ato enggak... Dan juga kudu cari dokter yg tega & legal dulu dong utk 'nyuntik'). Alesan gue sama kayak Toon, kalo yg menderita aja dah minta, berarti mereka gak mo suffer lebih lama lagi.

Tp pertanyaan Toon kayake kan 'without permission'...itu gue mikir2 1000x dulu deh....sambil berharep spy ada miracle ato biar Tuhan yg mutusin.

wah, ini tergantung keadaan. kalo dipikir pake logika sih bisa diterima banget tuh euthanasia, selain keluarga sedih & repot, orangnya yang sakit juga menderita tanpa harapan sembuh. keajaiban itu bisa diminta tapi ga bisa diharapkan (bodo banget kalo bergantung sama keajaiban). gimanapun, kalo bener2 diterapkan kayaknya sih bakal ga tega. tapi kalo yang sakit sendiri mau ato udah ga punya uang lagi buat biaya pengobatan (rumah + mobil udah dijual, utang numpuk, dll) ya mau gimana lagi....

Gua sendiri setuju euthanasia, walaupun si sakit tidak bisa memutuskan tapi kalo udah hopeless atau hidup tapi tidak sempurna sebaiknya diputuskan mati saja toh banyak yg percaya kita ini setelah mati akan lahir kembali (reinkarnasi)